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Ron Tiller
6th August 2008, 11:58.08 AM
Daven Turner just reminded me of a small SNAFU in the trainer stats that was brought to our attention at the seminar, during Ken's presentation.

Ken was going over Saratoga July 23rd race 3 and Steve Asmussen received no Layoff rating on the new Trainer Report Card. It turned out that his actual stats for LO 29-65 days were:

1007 231 23% .80

The Trainer Stats Report (which HDW makes and which HTR imports) showed 007 starts, which was incorrect. That's the what.


The # of startes field on the report was set to display only 3 digit numbers, the 1 being cut off. So, HTR read this exactly as it should have, as 7 starts, which was not a big enough sample to give Asmussen a grade for Layoff. When I formatted these reports years ago, no subcategory of trainer stats came close to 1000, so I only displayed a 3 digit output. HA! That's the why.

I checked all the subcategories of stats that appear on the right side of the Trainer Stats Report to see how widespread the problem was and the only trainer and the only subcategory of stats that breached the 1000 starts level on the report was Steve Asmussen on LO 29-65. $%^#$! That's the how bad.

I fixed the report to show 4 digits of starts, so we're good until Scott Lake or Steve Asmussen has 10,000 starts at something in a year. That's the so what are you going to do about it.

Steve Asmussen has 2 runners on Thursday that qualify for the Lay 29-65 stat:

Saratoga race 5
Woodbine race 2

I ran the racefiles and trainer reports for the Woodbine race card to make sure everything was OK. Here's what I found.

1) The pink Trnr button shows the raw trainer stats file, with the correct start count.

2) The lightbulb still truncates the 1, showing the wrong number of starts (but the wins, win % and ROI are correct). This is not a bug in HTR; Ken just need to make a slight modification to account for the change in the file.

3) The Green Trainer Report Card does show a score on Layoff, but I suspect this is because the truncated 1029 = 029 is a big enough sample for a score.

Thanks Daven for reminding me to fix this bug.

Ron Tiller
HDW

njcurveball
6th August 2008, 11:10.21 PM
Thanks for being so diligent Ron.

I have always been a believer in showing a category for Stable and another one for the actual trainer.

This was done in Harness a while back, maybe now too, but I have not been following harness too closely.

I know this is not a change you can make, but if you ever get the right ear of the right person who can be talked into a system that embraces new technology that would be the way to go.

I guess if baseball ever adopts the same system as racing, Tony Larussa will be managing about 4 teams. :p

thanks again Ron and Daven for pointing this out!

Ron Tiller
7th August 2008, 08:56.40 AM
I guess if baseball ever adopts the same system as racing, Tony Larussa will be managing about 4 teams.
No, here's how it would work if it were the same as racing:

Tony Larussa manages one team
T. Larussa manages another
Anthony Larussa manages the third
Tony Laroosa manages the fourth

Tony Larussa can't make it to the next 3 away games so the manager of record is John Smith.

The actual manager for half the year for one of the teams is one of his sons, Ralph Larussa, although Tony Larousa appears on the baseball program as the manager.

Somebody notices that there is actually a Tony Laroosa who is different from Tony Larussa and some of the games have them mixed up.

Tony Larussa has a son, names him Tony, and now he goes by Tony Larussa Sr., but only on the west coast, where Tony Larussa Jr. is also a manager.

Junior takes over managing one of the teams Senior manages but doesn't want to be known as "Junior", so he becomes Tony F. Larussa II.

Tony F. Larussa II can't make it to the next 3 away games so...

Sigh.....

Ron Tiller
HDW

edw
7th August 2008, 12:07.59 PM
Ron,

As one of the many who dealt with parsing the old BRIS raw charts (I think that's what they were called) and who dealt with many of the subsequent highly imperfect and/or inconsistent subsequent result and chart files over the years I can only say that I feel your pain and send you a "thank you" every day for the diligence you provide and the monumental error checking you've built into your system and understanding just how difficult the task is.

Between the examples you gave and the times they are inconsistent about using middle initials, cousins or close relatives with similar or the same names, and cases of female trainers who get married mid-career or have just appended their husbands name and are sometimes listed with maiden names, sometimes with married names and sometimes with hyphenated joint names, trying to come to close to accurate stats is probably impossible but you sure get them as close as humanly possible.

So, again, a really BIG "THANK YOU."

njcurveball
8th August 2008, 12:14.06 AM
Spot on Ron! Spot on! :D

Thanks for all your hard work and your great humor too! :)