Missing Data with loss of HST

[dehere]

I just noticed something now that I am attempting to convert to the new procedure of getting history data without the HST data conversion. I used the data obtained from the HST conversion to highlight AE and MTO horses in my PP's. With the switch to HX9 for this history data I do not believe that the AE and MTO indicators are available anywhere else. Does anyone know if that information is available elsewhere in HTR and, if so, where?

[DanG]

I just noticed something now that I am attempting to convert to the new procedure of getting history data without the HST data conversion. I used the data obtained from the HST conversion to highlight AE and MTO horses in my PP's. With the switch to HX9 for this history data I do not believe that the AE and MTO indicators are available anywhere else. Does anyone know if that information is available elsewhere in HTR and, if so, where?
Henry,

As far as display screens its still on…

• KM
• HHR (The old HST)
• Prgm
• TJ
• TLC

Check Today (Friday 9/20/07) Monmouth, race-6 for some MTO [“M”]. I agree that this would be very handy to have in an export to note in reports. :)

[dehere]

Dan,

I was referring to location in Access exports. Would it be possible to include somewhere in the new HXD or somewhere else?

[DanG]

Dan,

I was referring to location in Access exports. Would it be possible to include somewhere in the new HXD or somewhere else?
Henry;

I was not aware it was in an export. I thought you were parsing it from HST? :confused:

[dehere]

Semantics, Dan, semantics. Sorry for my unarftul use of the HTR language. Yes, i have been getting that information from the HST parsing. The end result is the same. I like to have that information and it does not now seem to be available anymore.

Speaking of which, with the pending elimination of HX3, the fields 72-77 from that export also seem to no longer be available. These related to such fields as EPfps. I used these in my PP's to compare a specific horse with par data for EP (and AP and LP and SP) in a race. rEP ranking data is available in HX4, but not the nEP numeric data. The same goes for the current lack of nSP, nLP and nAP numeric data. Is there any possibility of getting this back?

[DanG]

Semantics, Dan, semantics. Sorry for my unarftul use of the HTR language. Yes, i have been getting that information from the HST parsing. The end result is the same. I like to have that information and it does not now seem to be available anymore.

Speaking of which, with the pending elimination of HX3, the fields 72-77 from that export also seem to no longer be available. These related to such fields as EPfps. I used these in my PP's to compare a specific horse with par data for EP (and AP and LP and SP) in a race. rEP ranking data is available in HX4, but not the nEP numeric data. The same goes for the current lack of nSP, nLP and nAP numeric data. Is there any possibility of getting this back?
Henry;

The velocity #’s from HX3 are in the new “HXD” complete.

I’m still lost on the MTO in HST (which is now HHR). Today’s Mth race-6…Am I missing something? :confused: :confused:

[dehere]

Thanks Dan, yep, the fps data is clearly present in the HXD export.

Now, for this little thing about the MTO stuff. You are indeed correct that that information is available on the HHR and when I made this post I was not aware that you could parse the HHR file in much the same way as we have done with HST. Nonetheless, it seems to me that, with the historical earnings and other data for horses being so easily obtained in the HX9 export now it is rather silly to go through an entire parsing process with HHR simply to obtain one piece of data (AE and MTO). The simple process of figuring out how to parse the new HHR file with the different arrangement of historical results data makes this a project I really do not look forward to attempting.

In any event, its not a big deal - just one of those things that it was nice having available.

[DanG]

Thanks Dan, yep, the fps data is clearly present in the HXD export.

Now, for this little thing about the MTO stuff. You are indeed correct that that information is available on the HHR and when I made this post I was not aware that you could parse the HHR file in much the same way as we have done with HST. Nonetheless, it seems to me that, with the historical earnings and other data for horses being so easily obtained in the HX9 export now it is rather silly to go through an entire parsing process with HHR simply to obtain one piece of data (AE and MTO). The simple process of figuring out how to parse the new HHR file with the different arrangement of historical results data makes this a project I really do not look forward to attempting.

In any event, its not a big deal - just one of those things that it was nice having available.
Maybe Ken can slip these two fields through the back-door before the seminar. ;) :)

Rumor has it he’s not very busy this time of year! :eek: :D

Henry…real quick…On your Inner passage Alaska cruise, is that entirely on ship or do they stop at different ports etc…For that matter…are there ports?

Sorry Henry…Like Italy before this you’ve turned into my personal travel guide! :D

[dehere]

Pretty much any Alaska cruise spends one (or two days if return trip involved) cruising the Inner Passage while en route to several port stops in Alaska. Our particular cruise stopped at Ketchikan (if anyone does this cruise in the future, drop me a line as I located a particuarly nice shore excursion while in that port), Juneau and Icy Straight Point. We also spent a day cruising close to the Hubbard glacier. Cruising the Inner Passage is about one of the most peaceful and beautiful days one can spend on a ship - right up there with a slow ride through the inner lakes that are part of the Panama Canal.

[DanG]

Pretty much any Alaska cruise spends one (or two days if return trip involved) cruising the Inner Passage while en route to several port stops in Alaska. Our particular cruise stopped at Ketchikan (if anyone does this cruise in the future, drop me a line as I located a particuarly nice shore excursion while in that port), Juneau and Icy Straight Point. We also spent a day cruising close to the Hubbard glacier. Cruising the Inner Passage is about one of the most peaceful and beautiful days one can spend on a ship - right up there with a slow ride through the inner lakes that are part of the Panama Canal.
Thanks Henry…

I’m putting you on the pay role as travel advisor for my next vacation. :)

[AlanLN]

Ken, Anyone;
Perhaps this has been addresed before. I noticed today that looking at the racing history for Wed. Sept 26 Belmont race 3, horse #1 Altesse, has the following info:

Career------EPS 12 04-04-02 170

L365------EPS 07 04-02-01

BEL Dirt------EPS 05 02-02-01 148

8.5 dirt------EPS 04 00-03-01 110

Dirt Life-----EPS 10 02-00-00 149

My question is: how can a horse be "out of the money" only 2 times in 12 career starts and also be "out of the money" 8 of 10 times in the Dirt life category? Have also seen the with quite a few other horses at Belmont.

:D My career in the online Belmont ShowDown Contest is at stake!! :D

[Rick]

Looks like a bug.

Its not picking up all the place and shows for Dirt Life.

Looking at the record it looks like it should be 10-2-4-2 for it.

Good catch.

[km]

thanks Alan, i'll check it out

[km]

I fixed the problem with the "Life Dirt" record. If this is something you need before the next upgrade in February, let me know via email and i'll send you the fixed version.

[dehere]

I'm back to this AE and MTO thing Ken - any possibility of throwing an 1=AE, 2=MTO somewhere in the HX4 or some similar export in HTR in the next update?

[njcurveball]

OK, I am going to toss a curveball as well.

Programatically is there a way to "automatically scratch" the MTO horses when the race is originally carded on turf. And then if the user flips it to dirt, automatically bring them back.

I am probably in the minority, but I usually export the day before scratches. I find the MTO horses come up on top in a lot of ratings (especially the K rating). Then they are usually scratched anyway.

When the race comes off turf, I find I am going back in and doing the scratches anyway, since so many horses are being scratched and I would not want to use automatically generated turf pacelines in a dirt race anyway.

Just figured I would add my 2 cents. My ultimate preference would be for a contender flag to keep the horses in, but do not count them in any of the ratings.

Jim

[km]

Good ideas guys - thank you

Henry, I'll add the item to one of the HX exports, if you have any suggestions on which one you prefer, i'll put in there. nAE = 0 (regular entry); nAE= 1 (Also Elig); nAE= 2 (Main Track Only) It will be available with the January update in about a month.

NJ, i'll add the "AE" and "MTO" to the SCRATCH screen display by the horse's name along with a button to check or uncheck all the MTO and AE on demand.

It may be a logic issue to remove them full card, but getting them out of there quickly, even one race at a time, will help with those pesky overflow races that mess up the K rating. You can take this step right before you run the export and that removes those horses directly. An automated method in the export itself could be ugly and end up losing some horses that are running. I would rather let the user have full manual control of the scratch process.

Note: The "M" and "A" are only available prior to Results being added. This is because the same variable that holds that information is eventually over ridden with the finish position.

[dehere]

Ken - I'd prefer the HX4 export - unless the January update will include any significant upgrade of HX7 (or maybe one of the other exports). If so it may make the most sense to put it in the export that is being upgraded to avoid having to re-export multiple months/years of data just for that one change.

Jim's suggestion and your action on it sounds great.

[DanG]

Ken - I'd prefer the HX4 export - unless the January update will include any significant upgrade of HX7 (or maybe one of the other exports). If so it may make the most sense to put it in the export that is being upgraded to avoid having to re-export multiple months/years of data just for that one change.

Jim's suggestion and your action on it sounds great.
Great suggestions men! :)

I’m with Henry on the inclusion in the export if possible. But; I’m for exporting everything right down to what the trainer had for breakfast! :D

[dehere]

Breakfast: IIf(ALL_HX4!nBKFST=1,"Eggs",(IIf(ALL_HX4!nBKFST=2,"Bagel",(IIf(ALL_HX4!nBKFST=3,"Steak and Eggs",(IIf(ALL_HX4!nBKFST=4,"Toast and Jam","Multiple screwdrivers")))))))

[njcurveball]

Thanks Ken, sounds great to me and thanks to Henry for "scrubbing" on the HTR horse to get a lil more out of it.

Liked the humor as well guys. :D

[DanG]

Breakfast: IIf(ALL_HX4!nBKFST=1,"Eggs",(IIf(ALL_HX4!nBKFST=2,"Bagel",(IIf(ALL_HX4!nBKFST=3,"Steak and Eggs",(IIf(ALL_HX4!nBKFST=4,"Toast and Jam","Multiple screwdrivers")))))))
LOL Henry!!!

A friend of my brother when we were teenagers used to have a saying betting horses that “he looks hungry”. Every time one of us would say they were ‘0-18, or the trainer was cold or whatever…Neil would say…”Good, their hungry”!

Maybe HTR should 'negative flag the trainers who order this type of breakfast! ;)

http://www.caseyjones.com/pages/BreakfastPicPSHOP.jpg

[dehere]

After spending a lovely Friday needlessly handicapping Beulah for Saturday and looking at those jockey and trainer ratings I can sure tell you that 90% of 'em would probably qualify on the "looks hungry" test. Maybe that A-465 point guy (Ralph Martinez) would be deserving of a negative flag for the reasons stated but I sure don't see any of the others quite deserving of one.

[DanG]

After spending a lovely Friday needlessly handicapping Beulah for Saturday and looking at those jockey and trainer ratings I can sure tell you that 90% of 'em would probably qualify on the "looks hungry" test. Maybe that A-465 point guy (Ralph Martinez) would be deserving of a negative flag for the reasons stated but I sure don't see any of the others quite deserving of one.
I forgot to mention in all the years I knew Neil he rarely went home with more than he came with. He may have set the Shea stadium record though for hot-dogs in a 9 inning game. 1 per ½ inning is a sight I will NEVER get out of my mind!!! :eek: :eek:

http://images1.comstock.com/Imagewarehouse/RF/SITECS/NLWMCompingVersions/0004000/4500-4999/KS4896.JPG