Turfway Robot help needed

[Rich]

Would someone be willing to run the robot on a larger sample of races for me from TP's polytrack. Not sure if this is ok to ask so if it's not I understand.

I only have about 4 weeks here but am seeing something real strong over about 145 races.

1) all classes
2) uncheck 2 yr olds
3) use all purses - sexes - vi
4) K2 and K3 only
5) artificial surface checked
6) 6f and 6.5f only checked
7)"odds type" - check kline and set odds 1/9 to 9/1( good random number based on field sizes at TP)

Just curious what the "all" shows on top. I know it can be broken down from there.

Rich

[njcurveball]

Rich,

I am not near my laptop, but wanted to point out that your query is predicated on rankings. That is not a bad thing, but if you are using serious money, be aware that a few scratches can make a big difference.

Also using closing odds is a touchy thing. We can pretty much tell when a horse is going off at even money or less. But it is a fine line between 6-1 and 12-1. Of all the odds ranges, I think this one is actually the most volatile in the last minute. We all have seen horses at
6-1 with 1 minute to post drift up past 10-1 and get hammered below 3-1.

I love going through the database and doing things like this. Your query shows that #1 K is in a slump. My take on this information would be to look for races where this horse is bet and then try to pounce on it with the next 2 K rankings.

Just remember these short term patterns turn around. Over time, the K rankings have been proven to be very linear. #1 wins more than #2, #2 wins more than #3, etc.

Jim

[Rich]

Rich,

I am not near my laptop, but wanted to point out that your query is predicated on rankings. That is not a bad thing, but if you are using serious money, be aware that a few scratches can make a big difference.

Also using closing odds is a touchy thing. We can pretty much tell when a horse is going off at even money or less. But it is a fine line between 6-1 and 12-1. Of all the odds ranges, I think this one is actually the most volatile in the last minute. We all have seen horses at
6-1 with 1 minute to post drift up past 10-1 and get hammered below 3-1.

I love going through the database and doing things like this. Your query shows that #1 K is in a slump. My take on this information would be to look for races where this horse is bet and then try to pounce on it with the next 2 K rankings.

Just remember these short term patterns turn around. Over time, the K rankings have been proven to be very linear. #1 wins more than #2, #2 wins more than #3, etc.

Jim

Hi Jim,
Thank you for replying.

Just to clarify my "look" is at the "kline" oddsline which after entering scratches do not change as far as I know. That is why this is interesting because it is NOT based on closing odds which do fluctuate wildly like you stated but rather on Ken's kiline which is stable once scratches are entered.

Very best of luck in your upcoming contest Jim!
Rich

[jbshoulda]

Factor Plays Winners Win W+P ITM WROI PROI SROI $AvgM $20+ High I.V. 01/11/2007
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Play All 00917 00178 19% 37% 51% 0.97 0.89 0.87 $10.0 0013 $39 1.72

K=1 00000
K=2 00462 00105 23% 40% 54% 1.03 0.87 0.87 $9.0 0006 $39 2.02
K=3 00455 00073 16% 34% 47% 0.92 0.92 0.87 $11.5 0007 $35 1.43
K=4 00000
K=5 00000
K=6 00000
K=7 00000
K=8 00000
K=9 00000

K110+ 00005 00001 20% 20% 60% 0.84 0.48 0.94 $8.4 0000 $8 1.48
HF 00000

Favorites 00165 00058 35% 56% 72% 0.97 0.98 0.97 $5.5 0000 $10 3.14

Class=1 00156 00030 19% 42% 55% 0.95 0.92 0.87 $9.9 0004 $28 1.63
Class(+) 00239 00052 22% 37% 51% 1.07 0.83 0.80 $9.8 0006 $24 1.90

Fr1=1 00131 00017 13% 31% 50% 0.55 0.70 0.85 $8.5 0000 $17 1.12
Fr1=2 00131 00029 22% 37% 48% 1.33 1.03 0.88 $12.0 0004 $28 1.91

E/P=1 00145 00016 11% 29% 42% 0.78 0.83 0.81 $14.1 0003 $39 0.97
E/P=2 00145 00030 21% 37% 54% 1.14 0.89 0.92 $11.0 0002 $23 1.80

A/P=1 00148 00029 20% 40% 50% 0.83 0.81 0.77 $8.5 0001 $24 1.71
A/P=2 00207 00054 26% 42% 58% 1.14 0.97 0.92 $8.7 0003 $28 2.28

S/P=1 00150 00041 27% 43% 53% 1.04 0.86 0.79 $7.6 0000 $18 2.41
F/X=1 00146 00032 22% 37% 50% 0.84 0.76 0.76 $7.7 0000 $16 1.89

L/P=1 00120 00035 29% 43% 57% 1.19 0.92 0.83 $8.2 0002 $24 2.51
Fr3=1 00135 00033 24% 40% 53% 0.95 0.81 0.79 $7.7 0000 $18 2.12

PAC=1 00170 00024 14% 29% 42% 1.01 0.84 0.82 $14.3 0006 $39 1.23
PAC=2 00178 00036 20% 39% 56% 1.14 0.99 0.96 $11.3 0003 $24 1.77

PER=1 00191 00039 20% 38% 48% 0.86 0.79 0.74 $8.5 0001 $28 1.76
PER=2 00216 00055 25% 40% 56% 1.28 0.98 0.94 $10.1 0005 $28 2.27

Trn=1 00161 00036 22% 38% 51% 1.05 0.84 0.85 $9.4 0002 $28 1.98
Trn400+ 00016 00005 31% 50% 63% 1.43 1.24 1.21 $9.1 0000 $14 3.01

Jky=1 00152 00037 24% 47% 59% 0.88 0.95 0.84 $7.2 0000 $16 2.10
Jky350+ 00103 00030 29% 56% 68% 0.95 1.07 0.94 $6.5 0000 $14 2.46

PED=1 00140 00036 26% 49% 61% 1.08 1.03 0.94 $8.4 0001 $23 2.21
PED450+ 00189 00040 21% 43% 59% 0.98 1.00 0.99 $9.3 0002 $28 1.86

Wk=1 00136 00023 17% 40% 54% 0.75 0.91 0.95 $8.9 0001 $39 1.48
WK85+ 00071 00014 20% 42% 58% 1.01 0.97 1.02 $10.3 0002 $28 1.80

FC=1 00146 00032 22% 42% 54% 1.01 0.94 0.87 $9.2 0002 $28 1.91
FC85+ 00157 00035 22% 42% 55% 1.03 0.95 0.88 $9.3 0002 $28 1.94

HTR=1 00160 00037 23% 46% 58% 0.82 0.90 0.90 $7.1 0000 $17 2.02
HTR=2 00216 00048 22% 40% 54% 0.87 0.91 0.84 $7.9 0001 $23 1.97

$ 00134 00016 12% 26% 38% 0.87 0.91 0.86 $14.6 0002 $28 1.09
$$ 00024 00006 25% 33% 46% 2.66 1.54 1.30 $21.3 0003 $39 2.45

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Races Tested: 462 20Jan06 - 10Jan07 KLine 0.1-9.0

Type: Stk Alw Clm Msw Mcl
AgSx: 3yr 3up 4up Fems Male
Misc: Purse<$10k Purse>=$10k Vi10-25 Vi26-32 Vi33-37 Vi38-50 PL-5

Dist: 6.0 6.5
Surf: Artif

Krnk: K2 K3

TRKS: TP

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[Rich]

JB,
Thank you! Exactly what I was looking for.
Rich

[njcurveball]

Just to clarify my "look" is at the "kline" oddsline which after entering scratches do not change as far as I know.

Rich

You look like you got a good handle on things! I guess at one track it is easy to click each race and enter the scratches.

I dont use ATR Pro is that the way others get their files updated?

Good Luck at Turfway Rich! Looks like there is good money to be made there!

Jim

[Rick]

I find it hard to believe that all HTR users don't use ATRpro to get their scratches.

That by itself makes the program worth it, especially if you are betting multiple tracks.

[CMarvin]

I agree ... major time saver on scratches.

[Huguenot]

Major issue with ATRpro and getting scratches (something I hashed out with Bris):

Brisnet gets the late scratches LATER than almost everyone else, later than Brisbet, later than Tsnbet, later than Equibase, the track's own website, etc. I asked someone at Brisnet about this and they said the system was set up to get the scratches to BrisBet/TSNbet first and then to Brisnet.
While I can usually get scratches off TSNbet one hour prior to post they often do not show up until 20 minutes or so before post on Brisnet. Very frustrating.
I find it takes about 5 minutes to input scratches from the 3 to 4 tracks I'm playing. No big deal.

[dehere]

I find the philly park scratches alternative to work just fine. I have about 50 cents in my philly park account and haven't used it for years to actually bet a race - but it never goes away as a good source for scratch info.

Tony, you suggested using brisnet for scratch information. I was referring to the "odds" button on the main HTR screen which I thought was only set up to use in conjunction with pinnacle. I did not know it worked with Bris - does it?

1) Does that odds button work with bris or some other service?
2) Does it still work with Pinnacle even though Pinnacle is not taking bets from the US? (I can find out the answer to this one obviously but thought maybe someone knew the answer already.)

[tomcat]

I'm not sure who you talked to, but when we visited Equibase, the guy who runs the scrartch program told us that he posts the scratches as soon as the tracks notify him. Evidently some tracks post scratches on their own programs first and then on to Equibase. Once again we are at the mercy each track.

[Pizzaman]

With the appropriate setup, ATRpro can supply odds data for HTR2 users in the background. Set Option 20 to HTR (slide 112 at http://homebased2.com/atr/dnl/ATRdocs.pdf), pick any track list (Racing Channel, Supertote, or Pinnacle), start the ATRPro downloading of data for one or a group of tracks, and then 'make ATRpro invisible' (Slide 92).

The AutoScratch function in HTR2 is described starting on Slide 116.

[njcurveball]

Pizzaman,
Is anyone using 4NJBETS with ATRPRO?

Tomcat,
I often go to each tracks webpage to get the scratches since they are not up on Equibase. For example, if I went to bet Calder at lunch I would check Equibase and find nothing. On the Calder site would be the track condition (very helpful) and all the scratches for the day.

I don't know if this is true for every track, but it was for Calder and Tampa Bay last month.


Jim